It's North Koreans in Kursk, my question is whether or not what they are doing would be effective or not?
If we say the correct amount of spacing between Soldiers and then Units is applied in an Assault and the rate of Casualties taken from Arty is also the same (say 50% casualties) then attacking with 20+ men is although higher on casualties than 20- men the difference then is how many you have in the enemies position for clearing.
A few post before that the Admin was flipping out about the obvious meat style attack. The Ukrainians have been complaining about North Korean human waves successfully breaking into their positions:
Im still not sure about all that just because a certified dead NK should have been posted by the Ukrainians by now. They have time to make these telegram posts but not to attach a photo? Not one NK taken prisoner? Im not excluding the possibility altogether as Marko is correct that the Russians don't attack like this anymore as a rule but its just as likely imo that maybe a Russian commander on the ground took a calculated risk with a bunch of storm Z zeks and the risk payed off despite the heavy losses. I guess we will see eventually.
Interesting, though no photos is odd, unless the attacks have been so successful that the Ukrainans haven't been able to take photos due to being dead and the NKs' won't take pictures of their own dead. Maybe?
You mention WWII and Korea but when I see the clearly marked black figures running over white snow my first thought was of the hapless old French generals insisting at the onset of WWI that their troops must continue to wear the pantalon bleu even though the color marked them like sitting ducks in modern warfare.
Pantalon rouge - French uniforms were blue throughout the war. It was the press that was opposed to changing them, more so than the military. And to be honest, grey- and khaki-wearing Germans and Russians suffered horrendously at the start of the war too. Red pants were not really the issue.
I think terrain was in too much a bad state to cross those fields with vehicles: BMPs would be too slow and as you would need just 3 or 4 to carry 40 men, they would offer too easy and concentrated targets to enemy mortars; motorcycles can't cross snowy and icy terrain.
I agree with Marko's past assessment of Russians being unable to launch big arrow offensives because of lack or reserves due to dearth of men: in fact, these new vaunted "squad level" offensives of just 5-6 Russians assaulting trenches (defended by even less Ukrainians, by the way), I think they are just a cope made by the Russians, to hide the fact that they don't have enough men to launch in decisive actions against a moribund AFU. If they had, indeed they would have used them, an attack of 40 men is much more overwhelming than one with 6, and at this point, the AFU can't counter with much artillery. Drones in the Kursk region, is difficult.
Observing from the video, Ukrainian fire seems to be scant, and too slow to adapt in real time to the forward movement of Rus infantry who were also efficiently scattered, so I am not surprised they managed to take the trench in front of them.
I don't think would be a big deal to discover this was a NK platoon: Trump will take office in a month, will cut the flow of arms to the Ukraine. Consequently before the winter ends, Kiev will with all probability recall troops from the Kursk salient, so to redeploy them along the more vital positions across the East of Ukraine. NK troops won't be deployed in the Ukraine, but in Russia to free from border duty much needed Russian manpower
Why would you think Koreans would be straight out of 1950s? Simpler explanation is it’s Ukrainian conscripts “straight off the TCC bus” running for their lives.
Koreans?
You sort of hint at that with “(or the Korean war)”...
And there *were* those videos a while back that looked like Koreans in Russian outfits.
It's North Koreans in Kursk, my question is whether or not what they are doing would be effective or not?
If we say the correct amount of spacing between Soldiers and then Units is applied in an Assault and the rate of Casualties taken from Arty is also the same (say 50% casualties) then attacking with 20+ men is although higher on casualties than 20- men the difference then is how many you have in the enemies position for clearing.
According to Russian Doomer telegram the assault Marko is discussing here succeeded.
https://t.me/dontstopwar/17915
A few post before that the Admin was flipping out about the obvious meat style attack. The Ukrainians have been complaining about North Korean human waves successfully breaking into their positions:
https://t.me/stranaua/179946?single
Im still not sure about all that just because a certified dead NK should have been posted by the Ukrainians by now. They have time to make these telegram posts but not to attach a photo? Not one NK taken prisoner? Im not excluding the possibility altogether as Marko is correct that the Russians don't attack like this anymore as a rule but its just as likely imo that maybe a Russian commander on the ground took a calculated risk with a bunch of storm Z zeks and the risk payed off despite the heavy losses. I guess we will see eventually.
Interesting, though no photos is odd, unless the attacks have been so successful that the Ukrainans haven't been able to take photos due to being dead and the NKs' won't take pictures of their own dead. Maybe?
Is it the Ukranians' Light Infantry making the Telegram Posts or their Eyes in the Skies?
Also the Arty HAS to shoot and scoot, it can't remain in position to provide sustained fire for more than 10 mins
Ce sont peut-être les djihadistes, qui travaillent désormais en Syrie avec l’aide des officiers ukrainiens.
What is that song never heard anything like it.
You mention WWII and Korea but when I see the clearly marked black figures running over white snow my first thought was of the hapless old French generals insisting at the onset of WWI that their troops must continue to wear the pantalon bleu even though the color marked them like sitting ducks in modern warfare.
Pantalon rouge - French uniforms were blue throughout the war. It was the press that was opposed to changing them, more so than the military. And to be honest, grey- and khaki-wearing Germans and Russians suffered horrendously at the start of the war too. Red pants were not really the issue.
I think terrain was in too much a bad state to cross those fields with vehicles: BMPs would be too slow and as you would need just 3 or 4 to carry 40 men, they would offer too easy and concentrated targets to enemy mortars; motorcycles can't cross snowy and icy terrain.
I agree with Marko's past assessment of Russians being unable to launch big arrow offensives because of lack or reserves due to dearth of men: in fact, these new vaunted "squad level" offensives of just 5-6 Russians assaulting trenches (defended by even less Ukrainians, by the way), I think they are just a cope made by the Russians, to hide the fact that they don't have enough men to launch in decisive actions against a moribund AFU. If they had, indeed they would have used them, an attack of 40 men is much more overwhelming than one with 6, and at this point, the AFU can't counter with much artillery. Drones in the Kursk region, is difficult.
Observing from the video, Ukrainian fire seems to be scant, and too slow to adapt in real time to the forward movement of Rus infantry who were also efficiently scattered, so I am not surprised they managed to take the trench in front of them.
I don't think would be a big deal to discover this was a NK platoon: Trump will take office in a month, will cut the flow of arms to the Ukraine. Consequently before the winter ends, Kiev will with all probability recall troops from the Kursk salient, so to redeploy them along the more vital positions across the East of Ukraine. NK troops won't be deployed in the Ukraine, but in Russia to free from border duty much needed Russian manpower
Why would you think Koreans would be straight out of 1950s? Simpler explanation is it’s Ukrainian conscripts “straight off the TCC bus” running for their lives.
My thought was a different approach being used for Russia was North Korea.
Assuming they can stop wanking long enough.